We are delighted to welcome back Maeve O’Rourke for her second guest post on HRinI. Maeve’s first post, on Slavery, Forced Labour and the Magdalene Laundries is available here. You can find out more about Maeve on our Guests page.
Last Wednesday in the Dáil, Dermot Ahern and Séan Haughey both repeated the government’s decision not to apologise or provide redress to the survivors of Ireland’s Magdalene Laundries or Bethany Home. The reasons they gave are difficult to stomach. It is an increasing disgrace that the survivors of such terrible abuse in Magdalene Laundries and Mother and Baby Homes are having to beg for recognition when we should be overwhelmingly grateful that they still have the will to tell us the real story of Ireland’s past. In the grand scheme of things, the cost of compensating the survivors of these institutions and of documenting their suffering would be small, while the benefit to Irish society and to future generations of examining what it was that allowed such abuse to take place to Irish women and their children would be priceless.
The government does not seem to understand, or care, that the child abuse in industrial and reformatory schools was not some blip in our nation’s history but rather a symptom of a grand system of exclusion and oppression of women, children and other vulnerable groups, such as the mentally ill, which needs to be acknowledged and come to terms with. The institutional child abuse already dealt with, along with the Magdalene Laundries abuse and the abuse in Mother and Baby Homes, was part of the same patriarchal structure which in fact continues to exist to a significant degree in Ireland.
Sean Haughey pointed out in his statement refusing to consider redress for survivors of the Bethany Home that the Ryan Report allowed a “comprehensive review of the causes, nature and extent of [institutional child] abuse” and that as a result, the government is “committed to improving and enhancing our child protection systems”. To that, I would respond that the causes, nature and extent of abuse in the Magdalene Laundries and Mother and Baby Homes, where women and girls were subjected to compulsory labour and forced to give up their children, have not been comprehensively reviewed. Irish women and girls today suffer discrimination in the area of sexual health, for example, in the fact that 74% of 15-18 year olds received no sex education in 2009; emergency contraception, although legal, may only be obtained on prescription; and abortion still has not been legislated for at all. When I was in final year at University College Dublin, in 2009, the women’s clinic stopped taking appointments in February due to budget constraints. And now the UCD health services advise that students living in Dublin should continue to see their family GP: no better way to deter college first years from seeking out contraception or sexual health advice.
Dermot Ahern’s written answer to Olivia Mitchell about the Magdalene Laundries repeated the claim, the legality of which I have questioned in a previous post here on HRinI, that because the Magdalene Laundries were private, religious run institutions without any legislative or state mandate for their general operation, the state bears no liability for the abuse suffered by women and girls there. Legal arguments aside, it is undeniable that the state actively promoted the social and moral values which would lead society to abuse unmarried women and their children, and other vulnerable women, in Magdalene Laundries and Mother and Baby Homes. This denial by the state of its complicity in the actions of Irish society and of its repression of female sexuality in line with the demands of the Catholic Church has consequences for women and girls today, as well as for the survivors of institutional abuse. The lack of sex education in secondary schools, to take one example from the list, is a serious denial of children’s and women’s human rights and smacks of that very same church-state relationship.
Dermot Ahern said on Wednesday that he remains open to considering the continued sharing of the limited Department of Justice records regarding the Magdalene Laundries. What about demanding that the religious orders open up their post-1900 records for the Magdalene Laundries, which so far have remained sealed to the public? In a remark seemingly calculated to pit the public against the Bethany Home survivors, Sean Haughey stated that the final cost of the child abuse redress scheme “will be of the order of €1.1 billion, while the overall final cost of the response to residential institutional abuse is estimated to reach €1.36 billion”. Whose idea was that, other than the Irish government’s, to give a nod to the church and put the cost of compensating victims of institutional child abuse almost exclusively on the taxpayer?
The Ryan Report was only the beginning of an extremely important journey into Ireland’s past and its connection with our present protection of the human rights of children, women and other vulnerable groups in Irish society. It is unthinkable that it would be the end. It is time for the government to stop pretending that institutions such as the Bethany Home and the Magdalene Laundries do not define Ireland’s past and do not need to be reckoned with at an official level. It is a reflection on the country’s present that the government continues to deny that what happened to women and children in these institutions was a gross violation of their rights and dignity, for which the state and the church were together at fault.
Great post Maeve, voices like yours are critical if Ireland is ever to face up to the scale of the abuses perpetrated against women and children. It is far too easy to deny the ongoing reality of the effects of these abuses and their repurcussions for future children of Ireland. As you rightly point out, the structural inequalities facing young women continue to this day, and dealing with culturally embedded notions of female sexuality and female worth is the only way to eradicate the root causes of the institutionalised and culturally sanctioned abuse of women and children.
Hi i am writing to enquire if no 83 eglinton rd is classed as a madeline laundry?As i was there when pregnant at 20 in 1989,The horrific time i spent there still haunts me and i was deeply affected by my experience there.The full postal address was
DENNY HOUSE
83 EGLINGTON ROAD
DONNYBROOK DUBLIN 4
Hi Christina,
I am doing research on magdalene laundries at the moment and have found some information you and anyone else that stayed in Denny House may be interested in. Please get in touch -
Siobhan
siobhannighiolla@gmail.com
Hi Siobhan i only just found your reply on my message as i havent been on this site for a while,Any Information you have would be great as i would like to put my past to rest,look forward to hearing from you
regards
christina grace
There is no way Denny House was a Magdelene laundry as it was run by a protestant group. I stayed there in the early 1980′s for 6 weeks and I have nothing but fond memories of the very kind treatment I received from the person who ran the home at the time. I can’t remember her name, but she was the old ‘jolly hockeysticks’ kind of protestant lady and was the very first person who gave me positive encouragement. The home was very clean, I shared a room with another younger girl who couldn’t take care of her baby (let it fall off the bed etc). There was a sitting room and another baby room.
Denny House was the best place for me and I thank God I found it when I did. I simply went up to the door and knocked and asked if they had a place for me in 2 months. They said yes.
I remember sunshine through the windows, a soft bed, good food, a secret chapel behind a curtain, peace and quiet.
For me, it was a lovely place and time and gave me the space I needed to work out where I was going.
As it turns out, I married the boy and we had 3 more children after our first. We turned out fine, our children turned out fine. Thank you Denny House.
I stayed in Denny House in 1986.I would be interested in information you have regarding same.Thanks
Jo
Hi jo i just put a post on here outlining some of my experiences in denny house not sure if yours was similar if it was or if you wouls like to share your story feel free to email me.
Hi Christina I am doing some work on this for RTE and I would love to speak to you. You can email me at tanya.sillem@rte.ie and I’ll call you back if you leave your number/
Christina
I don’t know how we would find the answer of this for you, but I’d suggest getting in touch with Justice for Magdalenes and they should be able to help you. The website is http://www.magdalenelaundries.com/
Niamh i am happy you had a good expereince with Denny house,As you said you were there for 6 weeks i spent 5mths there after been referred by HSE social workers in 1989.My experience there consisted of control harassment and intimidation,IE before breakfast was given all chores must be complete no usage of showers after 9am until 5pm,no usage of washing machines most laundry was done by hand pantry that stocked food was closed after 6pm so no access to food and been pregnant ones appetite is not run on a clockwise system,complete control of your whereabouts at all times even though i was an adult,listening in on phonecalls with intimidation,spent christmas there alone as nowhere to go so house had to be kept open for me person in charge reminded me of this i cooked xmas dinner for both myself and her while she was out visiting friends and been festive in her alchohol intake on returning to denny house she made me so uncomfortable with her behaviour i locked myself in room/basement downstairs for rest of xmas day what fond memories to have,I remember climbing up to the attic room at all hrs of the night as one of the girls was in labour and me trying to calm the girl down while been so scared myself and no one around to help.these are just a few of my experiences with Denny House i finally left after 5mths a famimly member came to pick me up and i couldent leave the house until i scrubbed the flights of stairs with a deck brush while my family member looked on in horror i did it because i was afraid not too.Half my dole money was taking from me every week and the rest was susidised by the HSE you go into these places for safety and homelessness at a most crucial and important time in your life especially your first pregnancy which is meant to be joyous and these are the memories you are left with as a result of my stress my baby was born very underweight and very sickly it stopped growing at 28 weeks,thankfully she did survive.
hi christina i was there as well in 1986 my experience was the same as yours would love to chat to some one that was their as well
Hi Sandra so pleased you took the courage to comment on denny house as sometimes horrible experiences people tend to suppress them and not talk about them for fear of not been believed,It is our human right to highlight such injustice and intimidation in a believed caring protective environment.I would urge anyone that has had a similar experience while staying at denny house to please highlight their experience as it can help heal some of the trauma and injustice that was experiencd on them.I have been trying to get in contact by email to someone who has information regarding Denny house,she has not got back to me so far but i will keep trying.her email is siobhannighiolla@gmail.com,hope this is of some help regards christina
Hi Sandra I’d love to hear from you for some work I am doing for RTE. Please email me at tanya.sillem@rte.ie thanks
hi christina i think your right we do suppress are experiences becuse of what poeple think of use being in them homes and i think if you do talk, they think your mad becaues they were good,careing,loving people giving you some place to live.as well girls that did give their babies up won’t highlight their experience.thank you for getting back to me its nice to talk to some one maybe i will email her as well thank you